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France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« on: 13:22:14 | 12 February, 2016 »
in April of this year
http://www.tntsat.tv/passage-national-tnt-hd.htm
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/11/08/french-dtt-viewers-faced-with-signal-black-out/
Anyone still watching with SD receivers will need to upgrade.
I believe tuner/receivers must be equipped with DVB-T2 technology to receive HD images. Won't be implemented in Germany till 2019
« Last Edit: 13:38:20 | 12 February, 2016 by Keenite »

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #1 on: 00:08:28 | 13 February, 2016 »
They think 4 million upgrades / adapters will be needed.
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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #2 on: 01:50:09 | 13 February, 2016 »
They think 4 million upgrades / adapters will be needed.

Bound to be not a few confused senior citizens within the confines of "l'Hexagone". The real losers are those with analog TVs, who if I am informed correctly, will not be able to readily convert the digital signal, without buying a box that is more expensive than a new TV.
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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #3 on: 04:10:05 | 13 February, 2016 »
They think 4 million upgrades / adapters will be needed.

Bound to be not a few confused senior citizens within the confines of "l'Hexagone". The real losers are those with analog TVs, who if I am informed correctly, will not be able to readily convert the digital signal, without buying a box that is more expensive than a new TV.
Can you expand on that? I have a HD satellite box and until recently was using an HD terrestrial box.  Although both have an HDMI output they also have a SCART socket which outputs an SD signal even when tuned to an HD broadcast and giving HD on the HDMI output.  The SCART connector became compulsory on new TVs sold in France from January 1980.  The satellite box was £50 and the DTTV one was £30, both considerably less than a new TV.

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #4 on: 04:32:29 | 13 February, 2016 »
Anything specifically marked "HD" should not be affected by the changeover. If you are already receiving channels in HD, whether via satellite or terrestrially, you will continue to do so after April.
OK, so you question was more specifically about receiving an HD signal and outputting an analogue one (wasn't it?).

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #5 on: 04:36:59 | 13 February, 2016 »
Let me reword: If you are already receiving an HD signal (satellite or antenna) and are able to convert that signal to analogue, then nothing will change.
The change will impact only those boxes able to convert SD signals, but not HD ones. Any converter must be able to process the MPEG-4/HD format.
@Geoff: BTW, are you receiving the DVB-T signals from across the Channel?  Do you need a large antenna for this? What do you reckon the distance to be to the transmitters in France/Belgium?
« Last Edit: 05:18:13 | 13 February, 2016 by Keenite »

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #6 on: 05:33:01 | 13 February, 2016 »
I'm not receiving any French terrestrial DTV signals.

I'm making the point that low cost boxes exist which can receive HD signals and internally down convert them to SD for output through a SCART socket which any TV in France sold since January 1980 can display.  As such I query your words about costing more than a new TV.

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #7 on: 06:16:45 | 13 February, 2016 »
I'm not receiving any French terrestrial DTV signals.

I'm making the point that low cost boxes exist which can receive HD signals and internally down convert them to SD for output through a SCART socket which any TV in France sold since January 1980 can display.  As such I query your words about costing more than a new TV.
I assume you mean it is converted to an analogue signal, otherwise a TV equipped only an analogue tuner could not handle a digital signal, or? To my mind, an SD signal infers digital. The TVs in question are of the pre-digital era.

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #8 on: 06:33:24 | 13 February, 2016 »
I'm not receiving any French terrestrial DTV signals.

I'm making the point that low cost boxes exist which can receive HD signals and internally down convert them to SD for output through a SCART socket which any TV in France sold since January 1980 can display.  As such I query your words about costing more than a new TV.
I assume you mean it is converted to an analogue signal, otherwise a TV equipped only an analogue tuner could not handle a digital signal, or? To my mind, an SD signal infers digital. The TVs in question are of the pre-digital era.
1. Video and audio through SCART sockets are always analogue.

2.  SD means Standard Definition.  It does not infer or imply digital.  Ditto HD means High Definition and does not imply digital.

3.  The tuner in the TV is irrelevant if an external box is feeding analogue audio and video into a SCART socket on the TV.

I'm still querying the bit about needing to buy a box which costs more than a new TV.

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Re: France switching to all HD TV broadcasts
« Reply #9 on: 06:44:54 | 13 February, 2016 »
Perhaps I mispoke, what I meant was a DVB-T signal, the SD variant of which has been the standard, soon to be replaced by HD.
As far as the costs are concerned, you are right that these converters are not as expensive as I erroneously claimed.
http://www.amazon.fr/August-DVB415-D%C3%A9codeur-MPEG4-H-264/dp/B00Q38S9BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455374414&sr=8-1&keywords=tnt+decodeur+scart
The price of TV sets has also dropped enormously. We bought a top of the line Sony CTR a dozen years ago and paid nearly €1000 for it. A decent flatscreen with triple tuner can now be had for well under €400.
Retailers in Germany are pushing UltraHD, even though hardly any content is available. There are a few test channels on Astra, which my Samsung cannot decode. Will either wait till it catches on, or until it fizzles and burns, as several other new standards have.
 
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