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Re: Internet radios - an interesting list
« Reply #30 on: 06:28:49 | 08 August, 2014 »
.. the sound quality of an fm station broadcasting in HD nearby to the intended listener ?
I am not aware of any changes to FM stereo broadcasting technology that would warrant the term "HD" being introduced.

Is that the marketing equivalent of "new improved washing powder, washes whiter than white"?

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« Reply #31 on: 07:16:01 | 08 August, 2014 »
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Re: Internet radios - an interesting list
« Reply #32 on: 08:03:56 | 08 August, 2014 »
.. the sound quality of an fm station broadcasting in HD nearby to the intended listener ?
I am not aware of any changes to FM stereo broadcasting technology that would warrant the term "HD" being introduced.

Is that the marketing equivalent of "new improved washing powder, washes whiter than white"?

Maybe he's referring to iBiquity's in-band, on-channel hybrid system, referred to in the U.S. as HD FM.

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Re: Internet radios - an interesting list
« Reply #33 on: 09:20:29 | 08 August, 2014 »
.. the sound quality of an fm station broadcasting in HD nearby to the intended listener ?
I am not aware of any changes to FM stereo broadcasting technology that would warrant the term "HD" being introduced.

Is that the marketing equivalent of "new improved washing powder, washes whiter than white"?

Maybe he's referring to iBiquity's in-band, on-channel hybrid system, referred to in the U.S. as HD FM.

He is.  I just asked him. Storms in tea cups have their epicentres in two-dimensional messages:

It is indeed snibbo... that is the whole point. I have found that when out of my technical depth the best way to arrive at a workable solution is to start with the penultimate wowzer apogee gadget available and then dial back into a comfort zone. So I paid a visit to Ahead Stereo in Los Angeles to get their sense of the best one can get- money being no object- and then phoned a friend who is reputed to own every Blue Note offering.  Both displayed a certain caginess when it comes to internet radio performance via their best stereo system.... and surprise, surprise, the default suggestion being to go with the best... the best being the most expensive which includes nude audio speakers, a sizable cash outlay meant mostly to assuage your ego.


Wealth being what you have in the bank, not the junk in your house- and born descamisado I am keenly aware of the difference. Here are two very useful bits: from Crystalset, the Roberts (Sangean) fed though a Yamaha amp is probably all one ever needs and seconded by Solo2, a Yamaha RN500 with a pair of Pioneer speakers. Sincere thanks to both of you. Now if I only stayed single my pockets would jingle.

 
 The RN500, would that be compatible with a Reciva/Frontier type aggregator ? I will go look at one today when I go to pick up cable to link the Bose radio to the WFR-28. I'll ask for a discount by leaving the fairy-godmother behind.. or perhaps to qualify for the discount one needs to bring her home.... that's what I am now, sportified: fairy-godmother in an amplifier. Yes, I am willing, no.. eager to pay more. Sportify: all genuflect each time that word is spoken.


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Re: Internet radios - an interesting list
« Reply #34 on: 09:42:32 | 08 August, 2014 »
The RN500, would that be compatible with a Reciva/Frontier type aggregator ? I will go look at one today when I go to pick up cable to link the Bose radio to the WFR-28. I'll ask for a discount by leaving the fairy-godmother behind.. or perhaps to qualify for the discount one needs to bring her home.... that's what I am now, sportified: fairy-godmother in an amplifier. Yes, I am willing, no.. eager to pay more.

The Yamaha RN500 uses vTuner, which is the same as Frontier Silicon (you can review this thread in that regard, but you absolutely must disregard any apparent "rancour.") http://recivarefuge.net/forum/index.php?topic=665.msg7506#msg7506  For better or worse, the twin spouses and their fairy godmother are part and parcel of the thing.  http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/stereo-receivers/r-n500_u/
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« Reply #35 on: 12:44:05 | 08 August, 2014 »
I didn't understand "snibbo" and a Google search has not enlightened me.

I had not heard of Ubiquity's HD radio either but I had no problem to find info on the web. I doubt the audio compression scheme gives noticeably better subjective audio quality across a range of material than AAC at the same rate.  SBR is definitely not Hi-Fi even if it does give a more pleasing sound.

So the critical bit is the error performance. OFDM is pretty resilient to multi-path but if you have a weak signal for whatever reason you are out of luck.

Digital terrestrial radio (ie DAB and DAB+) is going nowhere fast in Europe.

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« Reply #36 on: 14:06:06 | 08 August, 2014 »
I didn't understand "snibbo" and a Google search has not enlightened me.

I had not heard of Ubiquity's HD radio either but I had no problem to find info on the web. I doubt the audio compression scheme gives noticeably better subjective audio quality across a range of material than AAC at the same rate.  SBR is definitely not Hi-Fi even if it does give a more pleasing sound.

So the critical bit is the error performance. OFDM is pretty resilient to multi-path but if you have a weak signal for whatever reason you are out of luck.

Digital terrestrial radio (ie DAB and DAB+) is going nowhere fast in Europe.

Posted by: Pablo
« on: 08:54:54 | 07 August, 2014 » "  That is, can an internet radio integrated into a stereo component system approximate what one would normally associate with terrestrial fm... or in my case match the sound of the radio in my car ?"
"Of my three internet radios the Sangean DDR-63 has the best audio sound for music yet this does not match the HD sound quality I get in my car:  it lacks the deep bass and lush treble and presence.  So I have this idea that it is possible to improve on the DDR-63 sound."

http://hdradio.com/get-a-radio/new-car/bmw

Uncle Djugashvili should be rolling around by now...
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« Reply #37 on: 14:12:57 | 08 August, 2014 »
The RN500, would that be compatible with a Reciva/Frontier type aggregator ? I will go look at one today when I go to pick up cable to link the Bose radio to the WFR-28. I'll ask for a discount by leaving the fairy-godmother behind.. or perhaps to qualify for the discount one needs to bring her home.... that's what I am now, sportified: fairy-godmother in an amplifier. Yes, I am willing, no.. eager to pay more.

The Yamaha RN500 uses vTuner, which is the same as Frontier Silicon (you can review this thread in that regard, but you absolutely must disregard any apparent "rancour.") http://recivarefuge.net/forum/index.php?topic=665.msg7506#msg7506  For better or worse, the twin spouses and their fairy godmother are part and parcel of the thing.  http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/hifi-components/stereo-receivers/r-n500_u/

My sincere thanks to Crystalset & Solo2 for taking the time with my questions:  you have saved me a bundle... even if it includes an unwanted polygamous version from the Brothers Grimm mother-with-a-starstick.  I'll take it... and here I thought all along Yamaha was just another asian Vespa, and there is no HD radio on my Vespa.

Again my sincere gratitude. The Yamaha RN500 that crosses our threshold will be surnamed 'Solo2' toasted with Veuve-Clicquot... and when anyone pops over to admire I'll tell them that the Yamaha is a crystal set. ... Vintage (vintage?) Yamaha.  Cheers n' Roebucks.
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Re: Internet radios - an interesting list
« Reply #38 on: 15:06:37 | 08 August, 2014 »
I had not heard of Ubiquity's HD radio either but I had no problem to find info on the web. I doubt the audio compression scheme gives noticeably better subjective audio quality across a range of material than AAC at the same rate.  SBR is definitely not Hi-Fi even if it does give a more pleasing sound.So the critical bit is the error performance. OFDM is pretty resilient to multi-path but if you have a weak signal for whatever reason you are out of luck. Digital terrestrial radio (ie DAB and DAB+) is going nowhere fast in Europe.

iBiquity claims that HD radio is "CD quality," but as it's been implemented in the U.S., that just ain't so in most cases. On good days, its sound quality is on par with analog FM.  Few people are rushing out to buy an HD radio receiver. HD radio is, however, the only digital transmission method now allowed by the FCC.  There is no DAB, no DAB+.  One benefit of an internet radio in the U.S. is that HD radio subchannels, that otherwise wouldn't be heard without a HD radio-compatible receiver, are available in all their full-digital glory.
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« Reply #39 on: 15:14:13 | 08 August, 2014 »
There's nothing eqivalent in most of Europe - I'm only aware of DAB and DAB+ in the UK and Germany.  Any others?
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« Reply #40 on: 15:44:09 | 08 August, 2014 »
There's nothing eqivalent in most of Europe - I'm only aware of DAB and DAB+ in the UK and Germany.  Any others?

Well, DRM is out there, somewhere.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Radio_Mondiale
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« Reply #41 on: 16:08:59 | 08 August, 2014 »
you have saved me a bundle... even if it includes an unwanted polygamous version from the Brothers Grimm mother-with-a-starstick.  I'll take it... and here I thought all along Yamaha was just another asian Vespa, and there is no HD radio on my Vespa.

If you want a network receiver that does internet radio and don't mind the twin spouses' company (no fairies, though) you can save a considerable amount over the Yamaha by getting one of these Onkyo receivers.  http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-8050-Network-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B004UR486G  I don't know about this receiver's quality, though.  According to some of the reviews, it may make a better hotplate.
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« Reply #42 on: 16:17:02 | 08 August, 2014 »
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« Reply #43 on: 03:06:10 | 09 August, 2014 »
Snibbo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Beachcomber

In the same realm as "Powdermilk Biscuits" and Bertha's "Kitty Boutique".
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« Reply #44 on: 16:47:01 | 09 August, 2014 »
Snibbo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Beachcomber

In the same realm as "Powdermilk Biscuits" and Bertha's "Kitty Boutique".
Aha!  Missed Beachcomber as 1968 coincided with my time at university where there was one TV for 700 students.  It was  standing room only every Sunday night for Martin and Rowan's Laugh-in.  Say goodnight Dick.

 

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