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FS firmware upgrades
« on: 10:24:35 | 08 November, 2015 »
At the Funkausstellung in Berln, the Revo man told me that the latest set of Revo internet radios could and would be upgraded to accept the threatened BBC chunked delivery streaming format for live radio. This gets me thinking: who organises or requests upgrades in the Frontier world? With Reciva, the brands request upgrades; if the brand is defunct or uninterested, no upgrade. Is it the same for Frontier?

I also wonder if there is some way of identifying which FS module a radio contains from the SW version info displayed under System Settings > Info?
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #1 on: 04:51:27 | 29 November, 2015 »
Talking of Frontier firmware versions, just to compare, here are some (mostly seen in various media shops; shown is what is reported under Internet Radio > System Settings> Info):

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0080_V2.6.12c3.EX48453-1A16    (Sangean WFR-28C)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0082_V2.6.12c3.EX45507-1A16    (Sangean WFR-29C before upgrade)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0082_V2.6.17c4.EX53330-1RC9   (Sangean WFR-29C after update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0200-0328_V2.2.15.EX27922-1A14    (Sangean DDR-62)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0200-0233_V2.2.15.EX16463-1A8   (Sansui WLD700L mini-hifi)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0034_V2.5.15.EX38723-1B4   (TechniSat DigitRadio 450)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0034_V2.5.15.EX51267-1BS8   (TechniSat DigitRadio 450 after update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0240_V2.9.10.EX62910-2RC4   (TechniSat DigitRadio 520)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0373_V2.11.12c.EX65964-1A2   (Hama DIR3100 after update Jan 2017)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0115_V2.6.19c4.EX56921-1A16   (Hama HiFi Tuner DIT2000)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0310_V2.11.12c.EX65964-2A3   (Hama HiFi Tuner DIT2010 after latest update Sept. 2016)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0084_V2.6.17.EX53300-1B5   (Hama IR110)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0084_V2.6.19.EX57924-1B8   (Hama IR110 after update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0084_V2.11.12.EX65933-2A6   (Hama IR110 after update Jan 2017)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0104_V2.6.17.EX55921-1B5   (Hama IR320)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0228_V2.9.10.EX62910-2RC4   (Goodmans Heritage Connect)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0228_V2.11.12.EX65933-3RC1   (Goodmans Heritage Connect after update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0178_V2.6.19.EX57288-1A18   (Philips AE800)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0074_V2.6.12.EX51098-1A4   (Peaq PDR 210)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0092_V2.6.17.EX53966-1RC6   (Grundig Cosmopolit 4)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0041-RD93i_V2.6.17c4.EX53330-V1.08    (Roberts Stream 93i)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0041-RD93i_V2.10.13c.EX65649-V1.22    (Roberts Stream 93i, updated 2/6/16)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0037_V2.6.17.EX52729-1B4    (Roberts iStream Revival 2)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0237-STR104_V2.8.37.EX5940?-V102    (Roberts Stream 104)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0039_V2.6.17.EX55921-SP14-1   (Revo Super Connect)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0162_V2.8.37c1.EX61598-1B13   (Revo Pixis RX, not to be confused with similar looking Pixis RS)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0162_V2.9.10c.EX63922-2A3   (Revo Pixis RX, after update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0162_V2.11.12c.EX65964-2RC4   (Revo Pixis RX, after another update)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0094_V2.9.10.EX62302-3B5   (Ruack R2 Mk3)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0214_V2.6.17.EX53300-1A1    (Denver IR100)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0058_V2.6.17c4.EX53330-1RC11    (Soundmaster IR3?00DAB)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0127_V2.8.32c1.EX56820-1A22    (Noxon Nova M)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0095_V2.6.12.EX45502-1RC1    (Dual Radiostation IR 6S)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0097_V2.6.17.EX53300-1RC3    (Medion Life P85035)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0020_V2.5.15.EX51267-1A9    (Renkforce IR-1600)

ir-mmi-FS2026-0200-0273_V2.2.15.EX27922-1B8   (Peaq PDR300) 

ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0234_V2.8.37.EX59406-1A20   (Peaq PDR350BT)

ir-mmi.rob.ven6-wm202-V1.5.6.21635-UK_9    (Keenite's Roberts WM202, from the Clarus Plus thread)
« Last Edit: 11:27:10 | 14 January, 2017 by Dogmatix »
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.
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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #2 on: 06:54:03 | 01 December, 2015 »
A few ancient models for you...

Oxx Classic (540007) V1.1.3.11.18629- ??? (handwriting!)

Clarus MusicBox Plus 1.1.7.1.14611-2rc6

I may have others in dusty corners and hidden boxes (there's a Revo and a Sangean WFR-28 somewhere...), if it'd help your OCD. I love your "Philips AE800, seen in a shop"... That's dedication to a cause!
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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #3 on: 09:35:28 | 09 December, 2015 »
Having done a bit more window shopping, I have extended the list below.

The first part would appear to reflect the hardware. "ir" for internet radio, "mmi" is anyone's guess - multi-media interface perhaps? - FS2026 means the Venice 6 module, whereby "0200" probably means the Venice 6.2 and "0050", the Venice 6.5. As for the next four-digit group, I suspect that this may be akin to Reciva's hardware ID (a.k.a. product code) - note that each model below has a different number which it keeps after updating. Of course, even if this is so, I have no idea how the number is set - hard-wired on the main board as with Reciva, or hard-wired on the module, or set in the firmware.

Then, after "_", the firmware version number. The Venice 6.2 radios seem to be stuck on version 2.2; most of the Venice 6.5 radios have version 2.6, although some older ones are still on version 2.5, and some recent ones even have version 2.8 - the Revo Pixis even upgrades to version 2.9. From information I found on the Frontier Silicon website, V2.10 (only for Venice 6.5) will be DASH-capable.
« Last Edit: 13:47:05 | 15 January, 2016 by Dogmatix »
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #4 on: 06:42:53 | 01 January, 2016 »
Roberts Stream93i
ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0041-RD93i_V2.6.17c4.EX53330-V1.08

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #5 on: 14:42:22 | 22 January, 2016 »
Last week, I asked four German brands whether their current internet radios could and would be upgraded with the v21.0 firmware to enable them to play MPEG-DASH streams such as the BBC are using. Most of their current radios appear to use the 'Venice 6.5' module, and are therefore, from a purely technical point of view, upgradable.

The answers are interesting because they raise another aspect of updates, which we have seen before in the Reciva world when AAC v2 started to be used by some US stations.

Technisat, sad to report, have not (yet) replied. EDIT: I have now received a reply from Technisat. Like other German brands, they do not plan to implement the MPEG-DASH-able upgrade as long as the format is only used by the BBC - it is simply not an important enough issue for them.

Auna said that it is unlikely that their current models will receive the necessary upgrade. Any future models, on the other hand, will probably come with the new firmware already installed.

Hama said that fundamentally, their radios can already do HLS and its replacement, DASH, but this is not integrated in the firmware because only the BBC uses these formats, and it would incur license fees. Should HLS/DASH spread further, then Hama would implement them by an update. So technically their radios are compatible, but Hama will monitor the situation and how fast the broadcasters change. UPDATE (January 2017)New Hama models are being rolled out with V2.11 firmwrae, and recent models are receiving updates.

DNT forwarded my query to Frontier, who responded thus: "Frontier are working on an update to include new software for support of MPEG-DASH, but this is not a free upgrade. There are many months and many engineers required to develop these new architectures and features so if you would like to upgrade some of your models to support this, please let me know which ones and we can provide a quotation." DNT added that they have not made any decisions on the issue yet, after all, these are extra costs for them. In a further exchange, DNT suggested that sooner or later, Frontier will be supplying the modules with DASH as standard, and what a pity it is that all the Reciva radios will now disappear (it turns out that some at DNT were involved in Reciva firmware development).


So there we have it: Frontier are charging the brands for the DASH upgrade, partly to recoup the development costs, and partly, it seems for licensing (although I thought that the whole point of DASH was to avoid that problem?). Whilst these costs would be included in the pricing for future models, for current models, they would have to be recouped by charging the brands for an upgrade. I cannot see any likelihood of Frontier or the brands of selling upgrades to individual users; technically, it could be done, but it would be an organisational nightmare.

The four brands I contacted are not really active on the British market (although Auna radios can be found on Ebay UK, including their remaining Reciva radio), so it is understandable that they eschew extra costs just for the BBC stations, preferring to wait and see if DASH catches on in Germany.

British brands, on the other hand, do not have that luxury. Trying to sell BBC-incapable radios in the UK would be very silly indeed. There must therefore be high pressure on them to cough up for upgrades to existing compatible radios, else they could be accused of selling hardware known not to be fit for purpose. Revo have already confirmed to me that their current models will get the upgrade, so they have probably already factored it in to their prices. Roberts still insist that they are waiting for the firmware to finish testing with the BBC. Sangean make some of Roberts' radios, but are not really present in the UK under their own brand, as far as I know. Goodmans have one internet radio in their current line-up (the Heritage II Connect, looking similar to the TechniSat Digitradio 520 in walnut, but with no LAN and no remote control); I don't know if they are likely to provide updates. Ocean Digital also sell Frontier (and one Reciva) radios in the UK; are there any other UK brands selling Venice 6.5 based radios?
 
Update January 2017: the situation at present is that Roberts Stream 93i and Revival iStream2 have received updates, as have the Revo PiXiS RX, the Goodmans Heritage II Connect, and various Hama radios.
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Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #6 on: 04:04:23 | 05 February, 2016 »
At last! someone who can throw some light on this mpeg-dash fiasco. Thanks Dogmatix.  I have a Roberts Stream 93i and I have been emailing Roberts on a regular basis on this issue. The only reply I get is "we are working closely with the bbc" etc etc. So find this after months of searching is a relief.

Is an update weeks or months away??

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #7 on: 05:56:14 | 05 February, 2016 »
I think that an update is more likely to be a couple of months away, rather than weeks. The BBC MP3 streams will be around for a bit (2017 at least), so some of the people involved seem to think that there's no desperate rush.

The latest from the BBC is: "For MPEG-DASH, we are well into testing streams with one manufacturer and I will update these comments when they are happy for us to do so." (see Mr Simmons' reply to comments on the BBC blog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/f21e6a49-e53c-44f0-8b01-09890a8fed8f)).

All we have from Frontier, who do not seem to like conversing with end-users (seeing that as being the responsibility of the brands) is a description of v2.10 of their software (the only version listed), the features of which include "MPEG DASH streaming technique support for BBC on-demand/podcasts." (http://www.frontier-silicon.com/ir210-network-audio-software#.VrSmu2OwV0U)

The latest I have from Roberts is along the lines of once the BBC have released further updates to MPEG-DASH, they (Roberts) can verify the compatibility of their products. Compatible devices should apparently automatically download the required software updates (if automatic updates have been enabled). All of their internet radios currently being sold should be able to provide support for MPEG-DASH. So it would seem that our 93i's should be safe.

The 93i is a good, solid internet radios, with a good sound. It permits forty presets for each mode, which quadruples the number allowed by any other Frontier radio I have seen. However, the remote control is a bit of a let-down - a decent, rubber-button type with direct buttons for the first ten presets would have been much, much better. But for the price charged in the UK (about £140) it's a good buy (though not for the €349 charged in Germany!).
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #8 on: 08:57:27 | 24 February, 2016 »
Ruack have also mentioned the BBC issue on their FAQ page for their R2 Mk3 internet radio: 

"The DASH format is open-source and we are currently working on a downloadable update which will be made available to all R2 customers as soon the BBC have finalised their plans and services. This will mean that 'live' and 'on-demand' services should work as intended." (http://www.ruarkaudio.com/support/questions-and-answers/r2-mk3).
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #9 on: 12:25:17 | 08 April, 2016 »
ir-mmi-FS2026-0200-0329_V2.2.15.EX34094-1A3_v5.2f   (Lenco IR-2002)
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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #10 on: 04:11:55 | 04 September, 2016 »
My Hama DIT2010 Pro has updated to v2.11, and is thus now DASH-compatible. This a day after a Hama representative at the IFA (Internationale Funkausstellung, a.k.a. Funky Exhibition) told me that all Hama internet radios with the Venice 6.5 module would be thus updated. V2.11 also brings multi-room support, which apparently allows you to stream stuff from one compatible unit to another in a room you're not in (or something like that). Update IR110 and DIR3100 also receiving updates.

The Technisat chap also said all their compatible (i.e. Venice 6.5 fitted) internet radios would also receive an upgrade to 2.10 or 2.11, as did Roberts Radio and Sangean. Revo were not present, but represented by TeleStar, who knew that Revos would be updated, but was not sure about Noxon whom they also represent.
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Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #11 on: 13:29:34 | 20 October, 2016 »
Here is my firmware release:
ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0286_V2.9.10.EX61908-1A19  (TechniSat DigitRadio 580)

Anybody tried to unpack the firmware file?

I passed a firmware into binwalk, it found some jpg and html page but I can't find out any valid mips binary blob

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #12 on: 04:29:35 | 30 January, 2017 »
I bought my german Technisat DigitRadio 580 in December 2016,
delivered with Firmware:    ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0286_V2.9.10.EX61908-1A19

Now (January 2017) an update is available: ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0286.2.11.12.EX65933-1A22
It´s V2.11 as announced by Technisat (https://www.technisat.com/de_DE/Multiroom/352-755/#softwareupdate)
for Multiroom Radios (Optimizations and MPEG-DASH support).

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Radios in use: Technisat DigitRadio 140 (since 2018), Technisat DigitRadio 580 (since 2016), dnt IPdio Tune (since 2009)

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #13 on: 04:49:52 | 30 January, 2017 »
It´s V2.11 as announced by Technisat (https://www.technisat.com/de_DE/Multiroom/352-755/#softwareupdate)
for Multiroom Radios (Optimizations and MPEG-DASH support).

Thanks for the information and the link, Thomas.

Could you please check on your 580 if the backlight can be switched to 'off' in standby? I complained to Technisat that the display on my 520 was too bright in standby - even in the lowest setting - for use in a bedroom, and they arranged a firmware update (but not to 2.11!) which included 'off' in the standby brightness settings. I wonder if that will disappear again if I download the 2.11 firmware.

I also wonder if my son's 450 will get an update to 2.11. It also uses the FS Venice 6.5 module, so it could run 2.11.

I'm not really interested in the Multi-Room feature; it's the DASH support I want (for BBC).
Radios in use: Roberts Stream 93i & SB1 (×2), Revo Pixis RX, Hama DIT2100, IR110 & DIR3500, Technisat 520. No smart speakers, no voice-control gadgets.

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Re: FS firmware upgrades
« Reply #14 on: 03:12:27 | 01 February, 2017 »
@Dogmatix

I didnt updated my DigitRadio 580 yet. Yesterday I have looked at the display settings available, based on my current firmware ir-mmi-FS2026-0500-0286_V2.9.10.EX61908-1A19.

On this base I already have the ability to switch 'off' the display in standby mode. After I update my radio, I will tell you the new settings possibilities in the menu.

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Radios in use: Technisat DigitRadio 140 (since 2018), Technisat DigitRadio 580 (since 2016), dnt IPdio Tune (since 2009)

 

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